Well, we probably won't have flying cars or hoverboards by then

"El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!" (lightningzone) 01/05/2015 at 22:14 • Filed to: None

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But we will possibly have a few million hydrogen fuel cell cars, driving around.

norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 01/05/2015 at 22:24

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Because that's not fucking scary or anything.

El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! > norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback 01/05/2015 at 22:27

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Nope, hydrogen cars are safe.

Dusty Ventures > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 01/05/2015 at 22:27

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2030 is as far away as 2000, and 2040 is closer than the year I was born.

Fuck, I feel old.

vdub_nut: scooter snob > Dusty Ventures 01/05/2015 at 22:31

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HAHAHAH You must be so olOOOOH SHIT

I'm dead even between 1990 and 2038....

;_; Not sure if I should start chugging vodka or go back to the gym for an existential cry-sis workout

El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! > Dusty Ventures 01/05/2015 at 22:32

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I will be 54 in 2040. Gah...

Balmut > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 01/05/2015 at 22:42

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Yea, by themselves..

Drakkon- Most Glorious and Upright Person of Genius > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 01/05/2015 at 22:43

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Where is my Ford Probe?

Dusty Ventures > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 01/05/2015 at 22:45

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Yep. Same here.

BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 01/05/2015 at 22:53

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Hindenburg passengers might question that statement... if they had survived the accident, and the following 78 years.

A proton and an electron can leech past most other molecular structures, and violently combine with atmospheric oxygen... that would be COMBUSTION. Very hot, and with the added drawback of being a colorless, smokeless flame that can spread and ignite surrounding materials before it is noticed.

The result is the most prevalent molecular substance on the planet, water, and one of the most stable molecular bonds. It takes more energy to SPLIT water into oxygen and hydrogen, than you get in electric kilowatts back when you re-combine them in a hydrogen fuel cell, back into water. It isn't free energy. which is usually electrical energy derived at a loss from other sources, like coal, petroleum, and what few nuclear reactors were built before the moratorium, which are now aging facilities. Hydrogen separated at a loss, only to be recombined for even less useable energy, isn't even that particularly advantageous, aside from lack of chemical byproduct output.

Not to mention the cryogenics for condensation and high pressure required to actually accumulate enough hydrogen to have any kind of energy duration... that would be range.

Lithium batteries are the weak link in electric vehicles even if electric motors are very good devices, but hydrogen handling and storage is even worse... even if a hydrogen fuel cell is a very good device.

Space flight has the budget for hydrogen management, and the cryogenic-compatible environment of space to maintain liquidity of hydrogen and oxygen supplies... and even then, there are events like the cryogenic oxygen explosion on the Odyssey, the Apollo 13 CSM.

That doesn't mean that hydrogen makes sense as a fuel for mass distribution and use by the general public, in 2-ton ground-bound missiles that often collide with each other and other things.

icbutts > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 01/05/2015 at 23:22

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I have a close friend who works for GM and he says hydrogen cars are great but they haven't figured out how to keep them from exploding.

HenryKillinger > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 01/06/2015 at 01:32

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It isn't though. It's only 14 years and a few days from 2000, and a few days fewer than 15 years until 2030. We're not at the critical halfway point for about six more months.

Yeah yeah, I know, unnecessarily pedantic...

kanekofan > HenryKillinger 01/06/2015 at 02:43

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No, quite necessarily. People often seem to be a little unclear on how time is counted.

HenryKillinger > kanekofan 01/06/2015 at 02:51

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You know, you make a good point. Many forget that the numerical representation of the year actually applies to a rather wide data set instead of a single fixed point. I just hope this whole thing doesn't turn into a rehash of that "bodybuilders arguing about the number of days in a week" thing from a couple days ago.

GuanoLad > Dusty Ventures 01/06/2015 at 03:46

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I was born 45 years ago, in 1969. 45 years before that it was 1924, the year the recent season of Downton Abbey is set.

norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 01/06/2015 at 08:43

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That's not why I said that.

El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! > icbutts 01/06/2015 at 08:51

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Well, it looks like Toyota did, and were kind enough to make their patents free to use by anyone, so GM can start from there.

artiofab > HenryKillinger 01/06/2015 at 09:52

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Look, all I'm asking is how that guy works out 5x a week while only working out every other day. I think it's

Monday: work out
Tuesday: off
Wendsday: work out
Wednesday: off
January: work out
Detroit: off
Thursday: work out
Friday: off
Saturday: work out
Sunday: off

But I'm not sure and I'm missing a day of the week in there.

HenryKillinger > artiofab 01/06/2015 at 10:17

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Yeah, you forgot the first Sunday.

FrankN.Stein > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 01/06/2015 at 11:22

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I sadly doubt that hydrogen catches on. I think it would be the best option on the long run but everyone seems to focus on electric cars...

artiofab > HenryKillinger 01/06/2015 at 11:43

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Oh right I forgot that a week runs from Sunday to the next Sunday. Right good point.

El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! > FrankN.Stein 01/06/2015 at 19:05

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Well, Toyota mostly said no to electric cars and launched the Mirai FCV, more than that, they even made all their FCV patents free to use, Honda and Hyundai are working on FCV's too. And BMW was supposed to bring a hydrogen FCV to the Detroit motor show but it seems that has been canceled.

Audi was testing this h-tron car, but doesn't know if it will sell it.

Mazda was leasing cars, converted to burn hydrogen in the ICE units, to Norwegians, years ago.

All FCV's need, is hydrogen friendly infrastructure and efficient production chains.

Gasoline powered cars, would've never catch on, if it wasn't for William Burton and his brilliant method of thermal cracking, that extracted a lot more gasoline from crude oil.

hielo > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 01/06/2015 at 20:06

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Great, now i only need a time machine!

El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! > hielo 01/06/2015 at 20:26

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Or you can just live alongside time, itself.

hielo > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 01/06/2015 at 20:29

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That won't help me to insure the people guilty of the gasoline-based car existence are eliminated in the right moment.